ronald reagan. lloyd benson had been in the senate 17 years, dan quayle, 7 years, that was about gravitas and the senior statesman versus the young new guy upstart. this time it's different because barack obama was in his 40's when he became president and even though joe biden is three decades older than paul ryan, that issue is muted a little bit. >> clayton: interestingly in 2008. then candidate biden, vice-presidential nominee at the time had a walk a delicate balance with sarah palin. he had to be respectful of her on the stage and strong a lot of people thought it was a tie at theened of the debate wherever you stand on it want matter, but here is a clip from that, we'll get you to respond to that moment. >> you voted for the war and now you oppose the war, you're one who says, as so many politicians do, i was for it before i was against it or vice versa, americans are craving straight talk. hey, if you voted for it, tell us why you voted for it and you you also said that barack obama was not r